As you might remember, I am spending this time while Textusa pretends to be on holiday reviewing some of her older posts that I haven't had a chance to comment on yet, starting with the ones that are most obviously the work of someone trying their hardest to get sectioned
Which brings me to this joyful little piece about Mrs Pamela Fenn.
May I say before we go on that Mrs Fenn sadly died several years ago. There is nothing to suggest that she was anything other than a kind, cultured and well spoken lady which makes Textusa's, and Kate McCann's treatment of her all the more repulsive
Not just the Portuguese, but I digress.....
All Paths Lead to Rome
Scientists given the task of analysing Textusa's test results can only conclude that her arse bone is connected to her head bone.....The Portuguese have this very wise saying that “all paths lead to Rome”. This saying goes back to the time when the Romans occupied the Iberian Peninsula, and basically means that, like all roads that at that time of human history were built with the main objective to connect everywhere known to theEmpire's capital, Rome, so as in many different ways you may choose to do something, you inevitably reach the same conclusion independent of the choice made.
A perfect example of what - all reads leading to Rome? How?
Mrs Fenn’s statement is a perfect example of that. Why is it so important?
You haven't established its importance yet - how about you do that first, eh, before you ask why?
Notice that when I make the question I don’t bring up the subject of whether it was true or not, that whatever was said.
Oh right. And?
You see, it’s simply irrelevant the way you look at her statement, as from any possible angle it’s always HIGHLY unfavorable, not only to the McCanns, but all those that were involved that night.
No. She signed a statement that she had heard a child crying and described the circumstances. She never said she ''witnessed a child negligence incident''. You added that yourself. Naughty Textusa.
We now know that it’s a fact that, on Aug 20th, 2007, she said, and signed, that she witnessed a child negligence incident that happened between 22:30 and 23:45, on the night of May 1st, 2007.
''If'' she's told the truth? What could possibly make you think she hasn't?
Let me just say, beforehand, that if she’s told the truth, then it proves the Tapas hide a greater lie than the one they’ve wanted us to believe in, but, and that’s the beauty of this, it's better for those with a guilty conscience that she has indeed told the truth than have her proven a liar.
You have no idea how important her statement is. Anyway in your warped mind someone saying they had beans for lunch is a Stop Press event.
That is how important the Mrs Fenn statement is.
Well I never. Could be that people tend to refer to wandering off for a plate of sardines and a jug of sangria, leaving the kids alone as negligence. What's your point, oh mad one?
Negligence is the most recurrent theme of this never ending story. We keep bumping into it in almost every its chapter. So much so, that when the McCann name is pronounced, the word “negligent” just simply pops up.
Yep. Look at how many of your minions believe there was no big round table, after you have repeatedly hammered it into their shiny bonces?
It's said that a lie repeated a million times becomes inevitably the truth. History teaches us that.
It also teaches us that those lies that aren't definitely clarified become either legends or urban myths. Time provides them with the necessary cloaking to be impossible for them be proven wrong or right, or even if the events told even happened at all.
Indeedy. Like blood splatters on a wall and all kinds of wanky nonsense about strollers and government black hats
Betted on? Be still, my aching dictionary.
And that was on what the McCanns have betted on. That if you discussed hard enough how negligent they were, the abduction would always REMAIN lurking in the background.
Ah, now we are getting somewhere. It's somewhere with secure padlocks and a door entry system, but to you it's home, and that's all that matters.
And as long as it stayed there, then it became a reality; because it will remain a possibility, however absurd.
Have they really? How so? By constantly claiming ''we've all done it''? By saying ''At worst, we were naive''? By claiming it was like dining in the garden, provided your garden just happened to contain a road, an Olympic sized swimming pool, 4 acres of hydrangeas, a bar, a restaurant and 45 other apartments?
From there to "myth" it's just that small step of becoming an "unsolved mistery"... So they've rammed, time and time again, down our throats, that they were the most negligent people ever conceived by mankind.
What the fuck are you on about now? You know nothing of the transactions between the McCanns and Social Services. Literally nothing. So don't pretend you do.
By the way, I would too. If I had, as they did, my back covered by those responsible for having the Social Services act as they did in the circumstances, which was to make me sure that they wouldn’t do anything however much I shouted out loud how negligent I had been.
Better said, if I was assured by someone responsible that they wouldn’t, right Jim? We know the Social Services didn’t, haven’t and won’t, do a thing about the McCanns.
Fuck me. Take one language , English, add one blender, press button and continue until you no longer recognise the contents
But there’s negligence, and then there’s negligence. It’s said for a just reason that always, really always, one has to be careful on what one wishes for, for one may just may have his wishes granted. And that’s what happened with the McCanns.
Uh huh. And why is that then?
Pamela Fenn’s “negligence” has got nothing to do with the McCann's “negligence”.
Er, no it's nothing like that at all. In fact that is the worst analogy since Nelson said that almost losing an eye at the Seige of Calvi was rather like having an unsatisfactory leg wax.
It’s like asking two people, one who lives in a country cottage, the other in a city apartment, to describe where they reside. Both will speak of “living quarters” but with little else in common.
You see, the McCanns just wanted a thin, evenly spread layer of negligence, you know, it’s there but you can hardly taste it; but Mrs Fenn, dipped an enormous spreader real deep into the jar and applied one nice, rich, thick layer of the thing.
What a load of cobblers
Leaving the poor little fuckers alone in the first place while mummy and daddy go out to stuff their faces was quite negligent enough, thanks. Letting them cry was just a sprinkle of parsley on the top
For the morbidly curious amongst you, yes I shall be reviewing that later.
Later, in another post, we’ll see that this was not exactly the result of her enthusiasm but rather to a misleading sense of urgency, so as to nail the negligence message right into some “thick” skull that just kept on insisting on looking towards the wrong direction: the one that pointed to Maddie’s death.
Now, let’s flip a coin. If it is heads we’ll look at Pamela Fenn’s statement as being true, tails, as false.Heads it is. So, let’s pretend it’s true.
Textusa modelling her famous ''Tapas'' range of leisure and cruisewear; Tweed skirt, Peter Pan collar, casual ''go anywhere'' cardi and nude pumps. Accessorised with a cute beige shopper and droopy stockings
Did you get that, everyone? ''Let's pretend it's true''
So without presenting any reasons, without offering any justification whatsoever, Textusa has already labelled Pamela Fenn as a liar. We will return to this again.
Why the holy fuck should she??But for that to be, we also have to pretend that we have this elderly lady who after having put up, for one hour and fifteen minutes, with a toddler’s ear-piercing crying; that when she finally hears the child’s parents arrive, she doesn’t even bother to come to her balcony, which apparently had a view over the terrace of the floor below, lean over and tell them something.
You are suggesting that an elderly lady, living alone, should have jumped to her feet the minute she heard the door go and remonstrate with the returning, possibly drunken, holidaymakers?? Do you know something we don't? Was she a trained killer in a previous lifetime? A karate black belt?
She wasn't responsible for the children; they were.
We know the crying must have been so annoying that she “contacted a friend called EDNA GLYN, who also lives in Praia da Luz, after 23.00, telling her about the situation”.
Here is an exact quotation from her statement
''That night she contacted a friend called EDNA GLYN, who also
lives in Praia da Luz, after 23.00, telling her about the situation,
who was not surprised at the child’s crying.''
She does not say that she contacted her friend in order to tell her
about it, but that she contacted her friend and that she told her what
was happening. There is nothing whatsoever in her statement to
suggest that her motive for calling Edna was that the crying was
Oh yes?? And on what basis do you make that claim, you duplicitous hobbit?
We know that her friend "was not surprised at the child’s crying”. That might appeased her a bit, but certainly doesn’t seem enough to wipe away her concerns and discomfort that made her make that phone call in the first place.
Where and when else does she express her ''concerns'' or ''discomfort''?
None of these emotions or feelings you ascribe to her are based on anything she said or did, are they? You simply made them up.
The phone call? Yes, she did. And you have no idea why as that information is not included in her statement
For some reason she did make it.
Why the fuck should she???????? The kid stops crying, end of story. Are you suggesting she should have leaned over the balcony and demanded respect from them? Get real, you sour-faced witch.So why on earth, doesn’t she say something to her parents when she hears them arrive? A simple and justified demand for respect was certainly deserved from these people.
So you would know that the children had been alone, but negligence wouldn't cross your mind? Why not?
Negligence wouldn’t cross my mind at that moment, but stupidity, egoism and lack of civility definitely would.
Stupidity, egotism and lack of civility? She had never spoken to them, you cloth-eared bint.
Doubtless you would, if you could get your arms free. But she didn't.
I would certainly tell them off, and would also tell them, in no uncertain terms, that a repeat performance would mean the immediate calling of police.
That tends to be what elderly ladies in their 70's do, Textusa. They largely mind their own business.
Oh, but say you, this peaceful elderly lady didn’t any problems with her neighbors, and so preferred to remain politely in silence.
So fucking what? She didn't, but then she isn't a shrieking lunatic
I for one, would have dressed up, charged into Tapas and asked if anyone there was the parent of the the child that was crying her heart out alone in her apartment. And if I got no answer, I would make sure I waited for those parents and let them have it.
Yes, she was. No, you're not.
But Mrs Fenn seems to be a peaceful lady. Me, I'm not peaceful, and some even say I'm no lady. Ok, then, if not out of pure annoyance, shouldn’t she have approached the parents with concerns regarding thechild’s health?
Why would she involve herself? She would have known they would be gone soon. She may not even realised the parents weren't in the flat until she heard them return.
Oh what a load of tosh. Anyone who has ever walked the floor at night with a teething baby or an infant with colic knows you are talking out of your sumo-sized arse, as usual.
It’s not at all natural for a child to be crying for such a long time, so if I hadn’t yet called for help, I would certainly be attentive for the child’s parent's arrival and inform them at once of this vital piece of information. It could prove to be the difference between life and death.
She didn't know the kids were alone, so why would she be listening for the parent's return?
No, I don't. I think like most refined, private ladies in their 70s she would have breathed a sigh of relief and gone to sleep
Apparently, Mrs Fenn was the only person to know that that child had cried for an hour and fifteen minutes, so she surely just had to say THAT to the parents, don’t you think?
No, as you have said yourself, we don't know why Edna wasn't surprised as she doesn't say, or at least Mrs Fenn says nothing further about it in her statement. So anything else is complete speculation.
Oh, say you again, her friend Edna wasn’t surprised that the child cried.
Why, she doesn’t say. It seems then, that like the “Happy Hour” in bars worldwide, there seems to have been in PdL, at least in April/May, an “Unhappy Hour”.
Don't be a twat.
Apparently, it took place between from 22.30 to 23.30 whereby some child was designated to cry her lungs out to the little village’s contentment.
No it can't.
On that particular night, it was Maddie’s turn, as it can be deduced the surprising remark from Mrs Fenn’sunsurprised friend.
Yes. So what? She hears the parents come home, the crying stops, she goes to bed.
So based on her friend’s reliable and justified opinion, Mrs Fenn simply dismisses the one hour and fifteen minutes crying as just “perhaps a nightmare or another destabilising factor”; and when she hears the parents arrive, she either goes to bed, or just adjusts the pillow if she was already in it.
Well so far I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest she told anything but the truth. So there is no need to 'pretend', is there?
So, for her statement to be TRUE we must then pretend that she’s simply not a curious person, and much less a busybody. Not a hard thing to do. The pretending that is.
So what exactly is your point? She hears people in the street and on the balcony below. She hears hysterical shouting. So she did what any decent person would do. She went to see what had happened and offered her help.
Is that all we have to pretend? No. We must also pretend that although she’s not a curious person, and much less a busybody, she was indeed curious enough when two nights later at 22:30 (now that is one unhappy hour in PdL…) “when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out ?we have let her down? which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below.”
Again, there is nothing to suggest she rang Edna to ask her what she should do. Why on earth would it even enter her head that the children were alone? It would never enter mine. And if you really contend that hearing panicking hysterical grown-ups is the same thing then you are out of your tiny mind
So we have a person that when hearing a child crying for one hour and fifteen minutes, and, half an hour after that crying had started, makes a single phone call, is pretty much satisfied with a vague answer from a friend and patiently puts up for another 45 minutes of crying, BUT when she hears the hysterical shouts of a grown woman she immediately goes to the balcony and tries to find out what was going on.
And why shouldn't she?
Ok, so we pretend that this is normal and continue, shall we? Sorry, no. We also have to pretend that109 days afterwards, that's more than THREE months, that, while around her much, much younger people seem to have lost memory for many of the details of what had happened that night, she remembers quite vividly the insistence of both the mother on having let some female down and of the father on there having been an abduction.
It was obvious from even a short exchange between Pamela Fenn and a reporter that she was perfectly lucid and sharp as a tack.
There is no ''memory selectivity'', just another of your attempts to blacken her name
Interesting memory selectivity for someone so able to detach herself from whatever surrounds her like that time a child cried, in the apartment directly below, for one hour and fifteen minutes, and as soon as she stopped, she just went back to whatever she was doing.
Well you were wrong then
And so, so interesting capability of remembering Kate’s “we’ve let her down”. I thought that Kate had said this only in the Tapas Bar.
You fucking cow
Either memory fails me, or she couldn’t have known this unless she had nice conversations, afterwards, in those 109 days and certainly over a nice cup of tea, with Kate.
There is nothing to suggest that she didn't hear exactly what she described. For you to allege that she had tea and conversations with Kate afterwards is utterly false and is not supported by a scrap of evidence.
There is no ''starting'' about it
Yes, I know I’m starting to annoy you.
Listen, twat, there is no need to ''pretend'' her statement is true when there is nothing to suggest otherwise.It’s a little too much to pretend, but the coin determined that we should proceed as if Mrs Fenn statement was TRUE, remember? So this much is what we must pretend, mustn't we?
So Pamela Fenn has spoken the truth, nothing but the truth, and let’s then see what the truth doth tell us.
It tells us, plain and simple, that a single child cried inside Apartment 5A of PdL Ocean Club, on the night of May 1st, 2007, from 22:30 to 23:45. These are FACTS, if, and only if, Mrs Fenn is saying the truth. Don’t forget that for a single minute, please. No other witness report this and this fact is very important.
It tells us that Mrs Fenn only reported hearing a single child crying. That does not rule out the possibility that another child was crying too quietly for her to hear.
Why would you expect anyone else to report it? The only other people nearby were McCann chums, they were hardly going to go blabbing, were they?
Yes, May 2nd is a completely different thing to May 1st. Thank you for your insight.
The McCanns report something of the kind, but having happened on the following night, May 2nd, which is a completely different thing.
Yes, two days are indeed two days, on planet Earth (welcome, incidentally)
Later, you’ll see that I’m not being needlessly precise here, nor leaving any margin of error for Mr. Fenn.She remembers so many details, that two days… are two whole days, and there’s a reason for her to pinpoint this particular day as the day it happened.
There is indeed a reason for her to pinpoint this day as the day it happened. The reason is that is the day it, in fact, happened. Stop me if I am going too fast for you.
No - from her statement she heard a child cry for one hour and fifteen minutes. She offers no further analysis and was in no position so to do.
From her statement, it’s also a fact that no adult came to that crying child’s rescue during that one hour and fifteen minutes.
No it isn't. She doesn't mention them.
Also a fact, according to Pamela, the twins didn’t join or react in anyway, as would be natural and expected, to one hour and fifteen minutes of her sister's crying, in a manner loud enough to concern the upstairs neighbor.
No it isn't. And you cannot possibly know that crying audible in an apartment situated above will be equally audible in an adjacent apartment unless you conducted specific tests. Did you conduct specific tests? No you didn't. So stop making things up.
Another fact extracted from this statement is that no other child of the Tapas group not of the McCann clan, joined in or reacted to this crying, clearly audible to the upstairs apartment, so certainly to the neighboring one too.
Now let’s leave Mrs Fenn’s statement for a while, and look what else we know, or better, we have been told, with which it can be implicated with or be relevant to.
Oh fuck, here we go - Compulsive Urge New Terminology syndrome. Please formulate your own abbreviation.
We know, and please do forgive me for not detailing where exactly this is said, as the sources are too many, in diversity and quantity, within PJ Files, of the existence of a “Child Checking System” (CCS), implemented, I believe, from April 29th, and executed to the night Maddie disappeared.
(It's a bit like Traduce With Alternative Theories syndrome, only worse)
Oooh yes, lets.
Let’s pay some attention to the characteristics of this alleged CCS.
If it isn't relevant, why did you speak of it at all?
It wasn’t a collective “Tapas CCS”, as each Tapas couple had their respective CCS.
The Payne’s CCS (PCCS) was based on a baby listening device, which spared the members of this family to conduct the personal physical checks. The PCCS is irrelevant for today’s post so we won’t speak of it again today. I’ll say a word or two about the listening device later on however.
Apart from the 3rd May, of course
The McCann’s CCS (MCCS), the O’Brien’s CCS (O’CCS) and the Oldfield CCS (OCCS), were, apparently, all independent, in which each member of the respective couple would check physically, each half hour, on their own children.
There is no reported “accompanied” checking between the MCCS, O’CCS and the OCCS.
Gosh, what insight
That means that every half an hour, THREE adults would go from the Tapas Bar to the Apartments, and then come back.
And why would you say that? Did you time it? How do you know it took 10 minutes, then? That seems hugely excessive and it's clear you have simply made it up
If we say, that it took 5 minutes to go from the Tapas to check the children, the round trip would be then of 10 minutes.
Well, if there is no record of how this was coordinated, how can you possibly claim that there was a ''continuous movement''?
That alone means there was a continuous movement of "children checking" up and down that particular street. We have no record on how was this was coordinated between the couples.
Er - have you read any of the statements, you mad old bat? That's exactly what they did on the 3rd
It seems that IF it was done in random manner, then there surely would have been, one time or another, a coincidence of schedule’s between the CCSs, meaning that members of different couples would walk together to do the checking.
Nothing more natural… however, not reported once, as far as we know.
Okay - first of all you say there were none reported. ''Not one''. Then you say ''We do have one incident reported''
We do have one incident reported, and one only (there certainly might have been others, but only this one was reported, so is to be assumed as an exception and not as a rule), that one member of a CCS offered to substitute the member of another. It was when Matt Oldfield checked on the McCann children, by coincidence, minutes before Maddie was supposedly abducted.
So make your fucking mind up.
Secondly, you cannot assume that as only this one was reported, it was the only time it occurred. The rest of the groups do not appear to have been questioned to that level of detail.
We’re also told, with clarity, that both the OCCS and the O’CCS used their apartment’s front door to enter and exit, and certified that the door was locked each time they left.
Good grief, you think so? What insight!Back to Fenn’s statement, it’s quite clear that the MCCS collapsed totally on May 1st.
There is no indication that they were asked anything like that level of specific detail regarding the preceding days. They said nothing unusual happened. Why would they flag up them being late back from a bar one night when it wasn't the night on which she disappeared?
When the McCanns made their first statements on May 4th, they surely knew of this, or at least should have known that for at least one hour and fifteen minutes, on May 1st, they didn’t check on their children.
So when they say nothing unusual happened on May 1st, either they’re lying with all the teeth they have or they consider that one hour and fifteen minutes of not checking their children is perfectly normal and reasonable.
Yes it is. Of course they don't say anything like as wanky as ''the MCCS collapsed'' but for that we should probably be grateful.
As it is neither normal nor reasonable, even if they consider it so, or be it they’re lying to hide the fact, one can say, with reason, that the MCCS, at least on May 1st, was a total blunder, a complete flop, a disgraceful incompetence.
This lack of checking on the part of the McCanns, would have been noticed by the other parents, however, this collapse of the MCCS isn’t mentioned anywhere by anyone in any statement.
Apart from the bit where they admit being late back from the bar, of course. But don't let the truth get in the way
Would it be important to be mentioned? Well, their daughter had just been abducted, they said, they had a CCS mounted up, they said that too, but do not say to the police that this CCS flopped two nights before the kidnap.
Neither do the McCanns say it, nor do any of the other Tapas. Only Mrs Fenn, 109 days later. Strange...
No-one. Is that where you were going with this? Then that was all you needed to say.
We know from Mrs Fenn that it was AT LEAST one hour and fifteen minutes, but who knows for how long really didn’t the McCanns check on their children?
What a load of shite. If I hear a child crying, even for a prolonged period, I do not immediately assume ''Oh look, that kid's parents have fucked off to a bar''
This would certainly a highly important piece of information for the police to have, as it basically means that for one hour and fifteen minutes there was a “loudspeaker” announcing that the “security system” had a major flaw. Basically like putting up a sign on a shop window saying “Notice: this store has the alarm temporarily out of order. Apologies for the inconvenience”:
If anything, I think ''Poor bastards, sounds like the kid is teething''
No it wouldn't
Remember that it’s assumed that we are before a planned abduction, that the criminal observed this family and pounced when he thought adequate and opportune.
With this piece of information, it would mean that, possibly, on May 1st, the suspect that had had the opportunity for a whole hour and fifteen minutes to abduct Maddie, then and there, opted instead, even seeing how careless the McCanns were, to take action on a different night.
It would raise the possibility of the predator only deciding on the victim then and there, on May 1st, after seeing what he saw, and preparing whatever he had to prepare and attack two days later.
The clues that the abductor could have left in these two days of preparation could have been tracked by the police, and could have quickly led them to the criminal.
But the McCanns decided not to remember to tell this to the police.
Okay, let's just hold it there for a second.
Isn't your central theory that there was no negligence, that there were no tapas dinners, and the children were never left alone??
In that case, if your ''theory'' is right, why are you arguing about how long they were away?
Probably didn't seem relevant. Anyway, according to you it never happened, so........
They remembered to tell the police all about the tennis, about how far away was the Millenium, and even about the detail of the wine being from New Zealand.
They even remembered that oh-so-touching “Maddie’s question”, but were careful to add it up with the“nothing unusual”.
They just didn’t remember that on the night of May 1st they did no checking after 22:30, until they arrived home at 23:45.
A spout is a thing you pour water from. Do you mean a spat?
Wasn’t that the night they arrived separately after a jealous spout?
She makes no claims about seeing them or hearing more than one voice. Perhaps she presumed it was the parents - why wouldn't she? Just because she didn't immediately leap from her bed and put it in a Venn diagram it doesn't mean it's suspicious
So, they do remember some details of that evening. By the way, Mrs Fenn speaks of the arrival of the parents, and not of separate arrivals.
If you think that's impressive you should see what your blog can do.
So she hears the gate, thinks it is the couple, and falls asleep in less than 5 minutes, which, I might dare say, is pretty impressive.
Oh here we go. Tins hats on, everyone.
The McCanns might, you say, have been both so drunk, and effectively did no checks, and that they were just too ashamed to admit it.
After all, this would only confirm what they’ve revealed from then on to this day: that they care more about themselves than about their supposedly abducted child.
So the MCCS flunked absolutely, proving that the McCanns were sloppy and careless, thus providing the abductor the opportunity for him (or her) to do the foul deed that would be done two days later.
THAT is what they’d like you think, I hope you realize that by now.
Well, clearly, you can't do the maths.
Now stop for a minute and answer this: where were the O’CCS and the OCCS during that one hour and fifteen minutes? We’re talking about FOUR adults, to and fro, every single hour.
That means that in that hour and fifteen minutes, those two other apartments were PHYSICALLY checked by SIX adults. If you can’t do the math, let me explain, TWO per apartment per hour, which makes FOURbetween 22:30 and 23:30, plus the first check, ONE per apartment, which means TWO adults, for the second hour, totaling SIX adults.
Paynes - no checks, they had their supersnooper thingy
Oldfields - no checks because Rachel was home
O'Brien's - let's say a maximum of 3 in that time.
Or to put it in your stupid vernacular
No PCCs, No MCCs, No OCCs, just an O'CC.
We could set that to music Textusa, you could have a runaway hit on your hands
The hip, hip a hop, and you don't stop, a rock it''
And you'd be wrong
I’ll be benign, and say FOUR to SIX adults checked their children between 22:30 and 23:45 on May 1st, 2007.
Let’s remember that they do go and do come back. So, clearly, while the child cried, EIGHT to TWELVEadults passed, on the way to and from their own apartments, by the THREE East facing windows ofApartment 5A:
Are those EFWs, Textusa? Only I can work them into the lyrics, you see?
''And Neptune lowered his trident, children, but when he pulled it back up all he had caught was some old bollocks''
Jane's checks would have been quicker had she not had to jump 12 feet in the air to listen at the kitchen window
Now, try to picture PdL at night.
Just imagine the immense silence.
Immense silence? It's a holiday village, you dozy cow, not a home for Trappist monks
And many of them post on your blog
There are some people that even hear sirens nobody else does.
How do you know this? Did you conduct any experiments? Or are you just talking out of your arse as usual?
I’ll bet that from the balcony of Apartment 5A, you would not understand the conversations at the Tapas bar, but they would certainly be audible.
Well, I would, but........
And the Brit loud laughter is known worldwide, and it is not for its discretion, but is not as loud as the crying of a lonely terrified or sick child. Just ask Mrs Fenn.
According to your neighbours, plenty.
And it’s no excuse that Maddie cried indoors. How many times have you heard grown people arguing from inside their homes?
Well we've dealt with the maths, let's deal with the ''If she could hear it upstairs, they could hear it outside'' myth
Mrs Fenn, from her apartment hears the gate open, but EIGHT to TWELVE adults, all walking not more than fifteen feet away from a crying child (a daughter of a friend of theirs), hear absolutely nothing… or at least they don’t say they do.
Unless you actually run tests, you cannot possibly make statements like that. It was a crying child, not a nuclear holocaust.
Oh, I seem to have reached the end of that particular discussion. Jolly good.
Absolute cobblers. If I have a TV on downstairs, I can still hear every word upstairs. My neighbour certainly can't
We know that Mrs Fenn heard it, so it would be equally audible in the apartment next door, as was in the one upstairs. Who do we have next door? The Oldfields.
..... I said a hip hop,
Let’s look then at the OCCS, the neighboring CCS of the flunked MCCS, that although going NEXT door,
Hippie to the hippie,
The hip, hip a hop, and you don't stop, a rock it..........
'Two or three times less than fifteen feet'?do not hear the child crying. The Oldfields, as I said, are TWO to THREE times less than fifteen feet,
What the actual fuck is that supposed to mean?
Eleventy-twelve? Half past flibbertygibbet?
in the case their child is sleeping in the lounge, or much less, if she's sleeping in their room, the ADJACENT one to Maddie's, and INDOORS, from the crying child and simply don’t hear her. Or, once again, never say they do.
No, Rachel was home, said she didn't hear her. And don't forget this is Mrs ''If she wasn't screaming her head off, I reckoned she was okay, even if she did shit everywhere like a chocolate fountain'' Oldfield.
So what? Mrs Fenn clearly did
No. You got a D in Maths
FOUR absolutely deaf adults.
It was a baby monitor, not GCHQ
In the silence of the PdL, I bet that even the Payne’s listening device would have picked Maddie’s crying.
Which no doubt you will tell at some point, sadly.
If it was switched on, that is, or if Maddie had really cried, but those are whole different stories.
So what has that got to do with it, then?
Quiz Night was that night, remember? No wonder Gerry invited Najoua to the table, as, it seems, nobody that sat around it could hear the questions. No, wait… Najoua also had Quiz Night that night of the week at Chaplin’s, so was long gone from Tapas before 22:30…
Or the McCanns couldn't be arsed and the others couldn't leap 12 ft high to listen at the window.
Either the McCanns were negligent and the remainder deaf, or, on THAT particular night, ALL Tapas CCS (except PCCS) were, by coincidence, negligent.
I’ve never heard of any hearing disability of any of them… so I do go for collective negligence of ALL independent CCSs.
No, it doesn't.
You see, if Mrs Fenn has spoken the truth, it proves one of the following: that either the McCanns, the O’Briens and the Oldfields were ALL negligent on their CCS on May 1st, 2007, or that there was simply NO CCS whatsoever, in any of the families.
It does not imply… it proves.
For starters, you have completely ignored the fact that Rachel was home, therefore the only people passing the flat were the O'Briens. Contrary to the absolute shite you came out with, the fact that Rachel heard no crying supports the idea that although sound may have travelled vertically with some ease, disturbing Mrs Fenn, there seems to have been less horizontal transmission, possibly because of the type of construction used.
You can't 'say' something by not mentioning it, you daft old bat.
And it’s not only Mrs Fenn that is saying it… it’s the McCanns, the Paynes, the Oldfields and theO’Briens that also say it… by never mentioning it anywhere in their respective statements.
Because if they didn't hear any crying, what was there to report?
They ALL, with NO EXCEPTIONS, forget to tell about this episode to the police.
Well, we know members of the group did check as there were witnesses to this. Of course, you will claim they were all 'in on it' and members of the ''Swing-a-longa-Jose' society, but most people realise that's because you are quite quite mad.
And you know why they didn’t? Because they had nothing to say. For anything to fail, it has first to exist. And if it didn’t exist, it's only possible due to the two reasons mentioned, they were either ALL neglectful or a CCS didn’t exist.
So now they WERE at the Tapas?
And, for ALL of them to have been negligent, there is ONE thing that MUST've happened: they had to be at the Tapas Bar, because if they were somewhere else, then the negligence just flies away with “the good parenting distance”… it becomes ABSENCE.
But you already claimed they weren't, because the law says 10 people can't fit round a table or a Black Hole will form
Well you have produced absolutely no evidence whatsoever that she was lying, or presented a reason why she might, so what the fuck are you on about?
And that is where Mrs Fenn’s statement is so beautiful, in that if she’s lying, she proves the exact same thing as she does if she’s telling the truth.
Oh here we go......
But if she's lying, she does prove much more than that. Oh, you’ve forgotten that we were ONLY assuming that Mrs Fenn was telling the truth up to now…
It's alright, I. in turn, "forgot" to tell you that I flipped a double-headed coin.
Oh hilarious - did you see that, everyone? Textusa did a funny
Of course, this then set up the next post in which she categorically did accuse the woman of lying, so more of that later.
So why does she do this?
She does this because having pinned her central theory to the mast, anything which suggests that theory is wrong - which is pretty much everything in the known universe - has to be chewed up, spat out, and mauled into something she can poke away into a convenient corner
The irony that she decides that Mrs Fenn is lying, then attempts to use the checks on the children by the group who were dining at the tapas to prove this.......
......having already said that they never dined there!